Veepness Stakes: Coal

I'd argue that after being qualified to be president, the most important thing a vice presidential candidate needs to do is avoid being a liability. See Eagleton, Thomas.

You will note that the Republicans avoided putting up another overt Big Oil ticket this year. None of their major contenders gloried in the sort of ownership by the energy industry that padded out Bush's and Cheney's resumes, and I'll bet McCain's vice presidential pick will also be a corporate crony of a somewhat less offensive stripe. Seen at the time as a boon because of a lifetime of experience (in squeezing the public and profiting from misery), a Cheney-like running mate would probably come over as a hazard, considering this year's fuel prices.

So why would Democrats be continually urged, when global warming is such a major public concern, to run a Big Coal ticket?

Indeed, it might look exactly that way if Obama picks any of Senators Jim Webb (D-VA), Evan Bayh (D-IN) or Sherrod Brown (D-OH) as a running mate against the only Republican in the country with a national image (undeserved as McCain's is) as an environmentalist. Why blunt an issue where Democrats have a wide advantage? Why make it more difficult to reach out to the 70 percent of evangelicals who believe that global warming is a threat and want the government to take action on it? And if he wants to reach Appalachia, why not go for the votes of appalachians who'd like to preserve their mountains and water supplies from the depradations of mountaintop removal?

I wrote previously about vice presidential nominee traits that might turn off Clinton's base of support, but this could be a similar turn off for Obama's own base, as well as independents and conservatives whose support he's said he wants to seek. All three of those coal state Senators, Webb, Bayh and Brown, have now signed a letter to Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), chair of the Senate Committee on the Environment and Public Works, repeating the demands of the manufacturing and coal industries that future global warming legislation be even more favorable to their industries, include even more free giveaways, and provide more taxpayer support to save the future for coal.

Of the 18-29 year olds whose votes Obama won by large margins, 47 percent want the candidates to spend more time on climate change, while 65 percent want them to lay out more specific plans for cutting oil and gas use. I very much doubt that they support cuts in oil and gas consumption out of a considered interest in mining and burning more coal.

By contrast, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS), though she also comes from a coal state, has vetoed new coal-fired plants three times, and as recently as this May. Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) has an energy issues record that includes tireless opposition to drilling in the Alaskan National Wildlife Reserve (ANWR), favoring oversight to curb oil market manipulation, opposing a gas tax suspension as the cosmetic fix it was, and a zero rating from the National Mining Association. Candidates with records like theirs would shore up the good points of Obama's environmental record and demonstrate a willingness to stake out an independent path from polluting industries.

While Obama won praise for taking the harder, correct position opposing a scrap of the gas tax, he's come under fire for his support for coal-to-liquid technology. His record on coal is mixed to say the least, and I'd look to his vice presidential choice as a signal of his future intent.

Because everybody talks about it: if he decides that Clinton is an acceptable running mate, I'd make an exception by saying that the main thing it would indicate to me is that he thinks she'll actually help him win. She's the only potential veep of whom that might possibly (not that I know for sure) be true.

On the basis of this issue, though, she isn't the best pick. She supported scrapping the gas tax, and landed herself a 16 percent rating from that same National Mining Association scorecard* because the one vote she took in their favor, out of the six they evaluated, was in support of a coal-to-liquids amendment (which is identical to Obama's rating with them, and over the same vote). Neither of those things thrills me, but if she's the pick, my impression is that talk about her from both McCain and the media will be focused on other issues.

Anyway, I'm more interested in screening unsuitables out at this point than endorsing anyone for consideration. If potential choices are going to be criticized, and they will be, I'd far rather they be examined on progressive criteria.

* McCain got a 100% rating with the National Mining Association, for one vote in their favor out of six, a vote against union card checks -- he missed the other five votes they rated.



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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (1.25 / 4)

I'd argue that after being qualified to be president, the most important thing a vice presidential candidate needs to do is avoid being a liability. See Clinton, Hillary.


by 08AMA on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:29:39 PM EST

Gratuitous (2.00 / 5)

Are you helping anything by reminding Clinton supporters how many Obama supporters just hated her guts? Have you even got an opinion on the coal issue?


by Natasha Chart on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:37:22 PM EST
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I don't hate her guts (none / 0)

and I think she would be a liability on second base (she'd have been a far better choice for president than veep). On the coal issue, I'll remember that about those Senators... It's a health issue for me.


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by RisingTide on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:09:33 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (2.00 / 4)

As an Obama supporter, I would echo the sentiment that you are not helping.  So please, with all due respect, just quit it.


by HSTruman on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:38:20 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (2.00 / 1)

Good to see you guys starting to sit on these deliberately disruptive elements. Keep it up.


by Michigoose on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:42:26 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (2.00 / 1)

You must really want Obama to lose badly. You're a Rethug troll, aren't you? I mean, putting Hillary on the ticket would make Obama's win a sure thing, and you can't have THAT.


by Michigoose on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:41:04 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

And on that note, I don't know that there is such a thing as a "sure thing" in an election.


by Natasha Chart on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:49:51 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

It's what the polls currently say.  Of course November's a good ways off and things can and probably will change.

I still don't see any other VP bringing Obama any guaranteed votes. At all.


by Michigoose on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:53:44 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

I completely disagree.  Right now, Obama has the power to bring in SOME republican and indepenent voters.  Add Hillary to the ticket and that's all totally gone.  I posted my original comment for a reason: I think Hillary is a bad choice for VP.  I am not a republican or a troll.  Thanks.


by 08AMA on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:13:44 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

And FURTHERMORE, if I was actually WAS a republican, I'd want nothing more than Hillary on the ticket.  That would motivate republicans like you would not fucking believe.


by 08AMA on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:14:56 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (2.00 / 2)

Unity means that real Obama supporters cease taking every opportunity to bash the other Democratic candidates, especially the one who has over 18 million supporters. Probably just another troll pretending to be a supporter so they can continue their decades-long obsession with the Clintons.


by LakersFan on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:50:42 PM EST

Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

(The above comment was supposed to be a response to 08AMA, but it ended up in the wrong thread.)


by LakersFan on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:53:02 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (2.00 / 1)

I think that was pretty clear, LOL.

Notice how he managed to hijack the entire thread.

I admit I don't have much to say about Big Coal, though, and I don't think it's actually going to be an issue in the Veepstakes. (I've only seen one coal-fired plant, out on Cape Cod, and it was the ugliest thing I'd seen in a long time. Everything around it was black, black, black.)


by Michigoose on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:55:59 PM EST
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It's life and death to me. (none / 0)

I'll be watching with interest.


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by RisingTide on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:10:56 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

But is is an interesting issue. As a Californian, I really don't know anything about the influence of "big coal" or who the big coal Senators are. I'm sure there is greater awareness about this in coal states.


by LakersFan on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:13:36 PM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

The only thing I know about the coal issue is that the coal lobby has started running "clean coal" ads on TV here in Michigan.  They kind of made me raise my eyebrows because no one here cares about coal -- we're all up in arms about oil, specifically gas prices, of course. I wondered exactly what the coalboys were trying to accomplish.   I still do, since I don't really think that it's about trying to get a Big Coal VP.

Most likely they're just trying to put themselves forward as an alternative to oil, but I've never seen a coal fired plant that could be described as "clean" by any measure.


by Michigoose on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:23:32 PM EST
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How does Schweitzer fit onto this coal spectrum? (none / 0)


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by California Nurses Shum on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:20:35 PM EST

Re: How does Schweitzer fit onto this coal spectru (none / 0)

He's actually my favorite for VP but he would marry coal if he could. That's the only problem with him, really.


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by recusancy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:39:12 PM EST
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as a leading proponent of coal gasification... (2.00 / 1)

it seems that Governor Schweitzer is not going to make Natasha's short list.


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by mboehm on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:52:51 PM EST
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I don't get the lib/prog/blog love-in with Webb (2.00 / 2)

Definitely, support a guy like Webb to win in a purplish state.  And, he's good on Iraq.
But, he's very socially conservative and, on some issues, kind of a paleo con.  
Don't give him the keys to the White House in 4 or 8 years.
And, if Hillary were thinking of Bayh, we'd be hearing shouts of "neocon/DLC betrayal".
Frankly, I'm an unreconciled HRC supporter.  It will take a good VP pick to get me to do anything beyond a grudging vote for the ticket.
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:41:18 PM EST

Re: I don't get the lib/prog/blog love-in with Web (none / 0)

I'm not enamored with Webb. I live in Virginia, and I think our Governor Tim Kaine (who's worked on a Mission trip in Central American, speaks Spanish), would be a better choice.

Peace on the grudging vote--Dems need a big tent and lots of honest voices keeping it honest! As for me, I'm Fired Up!


by bethmydd on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 05:14:50 PM EST
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keeping them honest (none / 0)

Spot on. Feet will need to be held to the fire. We should all have gotten that message from the last year and a half of a majority Democratic Congress.


by Natasha Chart on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:10:47 PM EST
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Kaine (none / 0)

What's the law in Virginia regarding a gubernatorial vacancy?  Do you have a lieutenant governor?


by Bob Fenster on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:15:38 AM EST
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Re: Kaine (none / 0)

Ah Google, what would I do without you?

VA does have a Lt. Governor, so I assume he would become governor if Kaine left office.  I gather that he's a Republican, so an Obama-Kaine victory would cost the Democrats the governor's mansion, no?


by Bob Fenster on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:20:29 AM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

Thank you for writing about this. I find myself distressingly unexcited about just about everyone put forth for VP candidates.

The biggest reason I did not support Obama as my first choice is his strong coal-to-liquid fuel support. He improved his position a little bit, but it still concerns me that he thinks it is a good idea at a all. You are absolutely right that it having another Big Coal supporter as VP will send a bad signal.

I'm equally concerned about foreign policy. I don't want a hawkish VP even if they are good on the environment. We need to get out of Iraq to free up resources to deal with the climate crisis.


by WVaBlue on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:51:47 PM EST

foreign policy (2.00 / 1)

That's an important issue for me, as well. Though the mainstream of Democratic Party opinion (among congresscritters) is to the right of most progressives. But I don't think that many Democrats would have suggested getting us into Iraq themselves, and I generally trust most of them not to get us into a war with Iran, even if most are more belligerent towards them than is strictly helpful.


by Natasha Chart on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 04:36:58 PM EST
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Boltin' Joe (none / 0)

I have a sneaking suspicion that Lieberman will be McSame's VP candidate.


by gil44 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 04:21:26 PM EST

Re: Boltin' Joe (none / 0)

Which would make greenwashing that ticket all the easier if Democrats don't draw a bright line around the issue.


by Natasha Chart on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 04:33:25 PM EST
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Re: Boltin' Joe (none / 0)

That's just not going to happen.  As much as I loathe Lieberman, the Republican right would go apoplectic if he was on their ticket.

With that said, PLEASE pick Holy Joe!


by Bob Fenster on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:22:26 AM EST
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Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

I already thought that Sebelius had a lot going for her as a potential Obama running mate,and learning that she's stood up to the coal lobby gives me one more reason to be rooting for her.


by lkusmin on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 04:35:23 PM EST

Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

I don't really think that it's about trying to get a Big Coal VP.


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by blueskyadf on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 05:09:41 AM EST

Re: Veepness Stakes: Coal (none / 0)

I'm an unreconciled HRC supporter.It will take a good VP pick to get me to do anything beyond a grudging vote for the ticket.


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by blueskyadf on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 05:18:25 AM EST


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